Si Collection, Upper Volume Radical: Water (shuǐ) Shan Kangxi stroke count: 16 Page 651, Entry 04 According to the Extensive Dictionary of Sounds and Meanings (Guangyun), it is pronounced shan. According to the Collected Rhymes (Jiyun), the Rhyme Collection (Yunhui), and the Correct Rhymes (Zhengyun), it is also pronounced shan. According to the Explaining Graphs and Analyzing Characters (Shuowen), it describes the appearance of tears flowing. From the Book of Odes (Shijing), in the section Lesser Odes (Xiao Ya): Tears flowing down. Also according to the Extensive Dictionary of Sounds and Meanings (Guangyun), the Collected Rhymes (Jiyun), and the Rhyme Collection (Yunhui), it is pronounced ban. Also according to the Collected Rhymes (Jiyun), the Rhyme Collection (Yunhui), and the Correct Rhymes (Zhengyun), it is pronounced shan. The meaning is the same. The popular form using the radical for forest is incorrect.