Shen Collection, Upper Volume Radical: Grass (cǎo) Wen Kangxi stroke count: 10 Page 1019, Entry 18 Yu Pian and Jiyun pronounce it wen. The wen grass. Also, in the Huainanzi: Spirit Training (Jingshen Xun), during the time when heaven and earth had not yet been created, there was only the image of the formless, profound and dark, vast and indistinct.